#IBC18 Tuesday Afternoon

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More tweets from the International Botanical Congress.

The busy session in the afternoon was Creating next generation Floras.
#ibc18. Aaron Wilton. Is there a dynamic future ahead for Floras? Starting by outling history of traditional Floras
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
Wilton & eFloras: Long delay in flora production, early vols often in need of revision #ibc18
chrisfreeland
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Aaron Wilton. Modern Floras – moving on to on-line access, XML, semantic markup, web2.0, atomized data. #buzzwords
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Aaron Wilton describing atomized Flora data enabling rich content treatments taylored to particular audiences.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
James Macklin isn’t here but his voice is. We watch in interest to see if slides match voice. #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
And now James Macklin appears via audio in eFlora session. I’ll never travel again. #ibc18
chrisfreeland
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Voice of James Macklin talking about Floras in the 21st century based on the Flora of North America.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
Macklin, phoning it in
Photo by chrisfreeland2002 on flickr
#ibc18 James Macklin – Flora of North America #fna due for completion by 2014. Dynamic project. Biggest challenges are social.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. James Macklin plugging the ‘Filtered Push’, a botanical annnotations network. Gets messages/content back to owners of resource.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. James Macklin plugging fine-grained semantic markup of text, extracting atomized descriptive elements. #datamining #complexquestions
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
Macklin: "No more books are necessary…sexy mobile app" #ibc18
chrisfreeland
July 25, 2011
Enforced radio silence w/ iPad tantrum. My phrase of day so far "atomic floras". Also a 1st, audio presentation w/o speaker present. #ibc18
IBC11
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Thomas Janssen: Flore d’Afrique Centrale in the context of the European electronic floras initiative.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Thomas Janssen – describing tools and workflows for an electronic Flora Project. Uses Xper2 for interactive identification.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
eFlora session not (yet) addressing: majority of manuscripts authored (in my experience) by ppl who don’t want to click buttons #ibc18
chrisfreeland
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Thomas Janssen describing compilation & editing tools for distributed & remote collabortion with multiple researchers/participants.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Mary Barkworth: online interactive pathway (directed) keys as a tool for students today and tomorrow.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
Barkworth: "from archaic, what I learned in graduate school, to just old" #ibc18
chrisfreeland
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Barkworth: outlining plethora of Floras covering one particular region. All with diff. taxonomic concepts. Confusing for students.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
Barkworth: Jones’ Visual keys produced by Geek-squared ability, Botany geek & IT geek #ibc18
chrisfreeland
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Barkworth: students happy to use directed keys online, even if they are eactly the same choices as are on paper version.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
Kevin Thiele says serifs are there because of Roman stone cutters and therefore… #sanserif? #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Kevin Thiele: life in a highly connected world – the eFlora of anywhere and the eFlora of everywhere.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
Kevin Thiele filling the room to discuss floras in a highly connected world… And likening the hyperlink to a page-turning fairy. #ibc18
IBC11
July 25, 2011
Thiele: Not criticising, but e-publication in new Code still pdf, a graphical representation that could be off a press. #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
Thiele: Next generation? Move from Flora of Anywhere to Flora of Everywhere – ie move from view that Flora has to be of somewhere #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Kevin Thiele. Describing PDFs, an e-rendition like printed page, the Flora of Australia On-Line, a database like the printed page.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
Thiele looks forward to day when no one says anything twice. Me too, but not just Floras… #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
RT @TimEntwisle Thiele looks forward to day when no one says anything twice. Me too, but not just Floras… #ibc18 <-You can say that again!
IBC11
July 25, 2011
#ibc18 Kevin Thiele, Next Generation Floras http://t.co/KytJATy
ckmillerjr
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Kevin Thiele plugging IdentifyLife, http://www.identifylife.org – a possible repository for flora knowledge elements.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
Thiele: Push information to most global location and then pull it into local products. #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
Fame at last: Australian Plant Census mentioned by Kevin Thiele. Come and see paper poster 1046. #ibc18
IBC11
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. eFloras discussion, shoutout for the Australian Plant Census #apc, based on the Australian Plant Name Index #apni
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. eFloras discussion. A plea for plurality of views in ‘accepted’ taxonomies. #apc held up as a model.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
eFlora: Q from crowd: Should we try to put data in form for long-term storage? < Maybe Thiele’s serif-friendly stone cutters? #ibc18
chrisfreeland
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. eFloras discussion. Plea for secure archival storage of data. What will happen when funding fails, other disasters?
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
eFloras discussion: Thiele make sage comment that if things are so bad that we lose all the e-backups we may have bigger problems? #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
@TimEntwisle It was glib and wrong. If we loose our collective botanical knowledge, we are stuffed! #itmustbesecured #ibc18
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. eFloras discussion. @SandyKnapp invoking Alexandria, Aaron Wilton invoking Christchurch, as ex. of #shithappens. #archivalstorage
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
Now in Environmental Adaptation Symp: Jasmin Joshi on relict cold-adapted species, and whether better adapted to climate Change. #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
Joshi: gathered together species from various populations in N Europe, then grew in controlled experiments to test response to temp+ #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
Joshi: After 3 months Sphagnum favoured higher temp on own but not if grown with other species. #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
Joshi: Carex the same… #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
Joshi: Some (eg Drosera) northern populations benefited from growing in mixed species beds but not so much those from the south. #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
Joschi: What does it all mean? Lots of intriguing signals but early days in experiment. #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
Next: "Do large flowers have to be short-lived in stressful situations?" I would think in most situations – cost/benefit & all that. #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
Actually why do I say that? Amorphophallus titanum and Rafflesia in mind. But all that energy and effort, they should last longer… #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
Texido: High temps increase flower costs, more in large flrs. Big good for pollinator attraction but at cost so short-lived. #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
Later the focus moved on to the Plant List, which has also been noticed outside of plant science circles.
#ibc18. The Plant List. http://www.theplantlist.org – Steve Hooper introducing. Shoutout for #gspc (again!)
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
Nothing like starting with a big claim. Steve Hopper: "Plant names save lives". #ibc18
IBC11
July 25, 2011
Steve Hopper: Running through the theory and practice of assembling the Plant List, a ‘working list’. #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. The Plant List will be seeking national level input. #apni/#apc? Quoting visits/hits/#metrics.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
Hopper: World Flora by 2020 achievable and will mobilise priorities – geographic and electronic… #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 25, 2011
Hopper: Kew recognises # web hits as a Key Performance Indicator #ibc18
chrisfreeland
July 25, 2011
Chuck Miller explaining how they made The Plant List at #ibc18
EveEmshwiller
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Steve Hopper. Shoutout for the ‘#gspc Toolkit’. http://www.bgci.org/plants2020/
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Chuck Miller on the heuristics of making The Plant List. … Rools-based taxonomy. Wird.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
Miller: WWBD? What Would a Botanist Do in compiling The Plant List? Good laugh from crowd #ibc18
chrisfreeland
July 25, 2011
.@chrisfreeland At #apc we rarely/never ask WWBD. We look at what a botanist did/does, and write it down. #dontmakestuffup #ibc18
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
#ibc18 Chuck Miller. presenting dataflow for The Plant List. Iterative process. 30+ roolz for name acceptance and synonymy.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Chuck Miller outlining the ‘compromise’ procees in compiling The Plant List. c. 22% of names unresolved.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Eimear Nic Lughadha (and Bob Alkin): the significance of completing #gspc Target 1, user impacts.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
#ibc18 Eimear Nic Lughadha presenting comprehensive statistics of The Plant List visits and use.
Jim_Croft
July 25, 2011
Q from Fabian Michelangeli: why hundreds of synonyms in TROPICOS are not in The Plant List. After Chuck MIller’s explanation at #ibc18.
EveEmshwiller
July 25, 2011
#ibc18. Christian Flann: The African Plant Database Project. A coalition of four prior projects.
Jim_Croft
July 26, 2011
Nope, Cyrille Chatelain. Boring facts 😉 MT @Jim_Croft: #ibc18. Christian Flann: The African Plant Database Project….
chrisfreeland
July 26, 2011
#ibc18. Cyrille Chatelain (apologies for earlier mistweet) outlining links between the African Plant Database and numerous other projects.
Jim_Croft
July 26, 2011
Next is Christina Flann (fellow systematics lab alumni) with the Global Compositae Checklist. Go Christina! #ibc18
fembotanist
July 26, 2011
#ibc18. Christina Flann (really this time) on the Global Compositae Checklist. Represents c. 10% of the world’s flora.
Jim_Croft
July 26, 2011
Christina Flann: SQL v. ICBN – Lesson learned: build relationships between IT & botanists #ibc18
chrisfreeland
July 26, 2011
Christina Flann: Relationship between taxonomist and biodiversity informatician essential; sharing possible, but not easy #ibc18
fembotanist
July 26, 2011
#ibc18. Christina Flann. Global Compositae Checklist draws on #ipni and many other datasets. Issues of standards and compatability.
Jim_Croft
July 26, 2011
Have always been impressed with Christina Flann’s ability to clearly articulate complex ideas. Today is no different! #ibc18
chrisfreeland
July 26, 2011
#ibc18. Christina Flann. Outlining Global Compositae Checklist compilation and resolution issues. Exact parallels to #apni/#apc
Jim_Croft
July 26, 2011
#ibc18. Christina Flann’s work on Global Compositae Checklist coming to a funding close. What is going to happen now? #whydowealwaysdothis?!
Jim_Croft
July 26, 2011
#ibc18, Matt Von Konrat: the contribution of hornworts and liverworts to The Plant List.
Jim_Croft
July 26, 2011
#ibc18. Matt Von Konrat: c. 9.5k accepted names of liverworts and hornworts. Preparing ‘synthesis papers’ summarizing each group.
Jim_Croft
July 26, 2011
Matt von Konrat at #ibc18 : 5000 downloads on check list of liverworts and hornworts for Java. !?!?!
EveEmshwiller
July 26, 2011
#ibc18. Matt Von Konrat: producing regional liverwort and horwort checklist papers based on global ckecklist. Can map regional activitry.
Jim_Croft
July 26, 2011
geeks after the computer language… or coffee? 😉 MT @EveEmshwiller: Matt von Konrat at #ibc18 : 5k downloads on check list for Java!?
Jim_Croft
July 26, 2011
Von Konrat thanks crowd for staying through to end of day. Well, of course – who doesn’t love hepatics?! #ibc18
chrisfreeland
July 26, 2011
Classic Magillian end to audience questions from The Plant List symposium 🙂 #ibc18
chrisfreeland
July 26, 2011
@chrisfreeland Any discussion of data licensing for The Plant List? #ibc18
rdmpage
July 26, 2011

While @fembotanist started in the in Historical botanical collections.

SYM005 Historical Botanical Collections chaired by Heimo Reiner. First is Odile Poncy with an update on renovation of Paris Herbarium #ibc18
fembotanist
July 25, 2011
Paris Herb. storage capacity increased for 10 million or more current specimens and future additional collections over next 30 years #ibc18
fembotanist
July 25, 2011
10% of unmounted specimens at Paris = 1,000,000 sheets! I thought MELU had a huge backlog! #ibc18
fembotanist
July 25, 2011
Scanning high resolution image of 12,000 sheets per day at Paris Herbarium. Amazing! #ibc18
fembotanist
July 25, 2011
Expected completion of Paris Herbarium renovation is 2012 #ibc18
fembotanist
July 25, 2011
Next is the collections of George B. Hinton, explorer in Mexico. Made collections 1931-1941. Talk by Maria De Lourdes Rico Arce #ibc18
fembotanist
July 25, 2011
Hinton collected over 17,000 specimens covering 68,000 square kms of Mexico #ibc18
fembotanist
July 25, 2011
Total number of species in Hinton collection 2706 with 206 infraspecies #ibc18
fembotanist
July 25, 2011
L.Rico Arce: Story of Hinton’s herbarium being moved across the mountains on 41 mules. #ibc18
IBC11
July 25, 2011
One of Hinton’s mules, Lenina, immortalised in the name Salvia leninae. #ibc18
IBC11
July 25, 2011
Oh dear, next talk is on F.Stephani, the "enthusiastic describer" of hepatics. Even I’ve heard of him… #ibc18
IBC11
July 25, 2011
Michelle J. Price speaking about the historically significant liverwort collection of Franz Stephani #ibc18
fembotanist
July 25, 2011
Stephani a business man in textile industry who took a keen interest in Liverworts. Well, who wouldn’t be interested in them? 🙂 #ibc18
fembotanist
July 25, 2011
Michelle Price: Stephani allergic to synonymy? Same material described several times under many different names. #ibc18
IBC11
July 25, 2011
Michelle Price: Wooden building, wooden cabinet = not an ideal place to store a valuable plant collection! #ibc18
fembotanist
July 26, 2011
Michelle Price: healing the Stephani "trauma" w/ type specimen digitisation. And there’s a word you don’t hear every day: "compacti". #ibc18
IBC11
July 26, 2011
Krishna Shrestha: appeal for repatriation of Nepalese specimens. Pilgrims asked to collect plants, botany as spiritual experience. #ibc18
IBC11
July 26, 2011
Tens of thousands of Nepalese specimens in Eur. herbaria hampering research by local botanists. Sure some Aussies can relate. #ibc18
IBC11
July 26, 2011
Maura Flannery: herbarium as time capsule. Herb. in Providence, Rhode Is. with no types, no loans etc. #ibc18
IBC11
July 26, 2011
Maura Flannery: historian "fired up about herbaria". Discussion on possible uses of dormant collns like these. #ibc18
IBC11
July 26, 2011
Paul Mwebaze: economist investigating monetary value of biological collections. This session running a little late. #ibc18
IBC11
July 26, 2011
Mwebaze: investigating economic effects of policy change on collections. Collections difficult to value & tend to be undervalued. #ibc18
IBC11
July 26, 2011
Mwebaze: surveyed users re: whether they would pay user fee to access central collns database. Most said $200-300 pa. #cheapskates #ibc18
IBC11
July 26, 2011
Pat Heslop-Harrison started in The evolution and development of the angiosperm female gametophyte.
Alles ist blatt! but what about the angiosperm female gametophyte? BGL Swamy’s 1975 drawing helps students remember structure! #ibc18
Pathh1
July 26, 2011
Ned Friedman starts quoting Wolff1759 Construction of a plant is reiteration of similar parts then Goethe’s plant of modified leaves #ibc18
Pathh1
July 26, 2011
Now the non-memorable charts of female gametophyte types – but I can’t find the memorable Swamy drawing on the web. Must ask Ned F. #ibc18
Pathh1
July 26, 2011
But colouring the chart shows evolutionary patterns and reiteration of modules with different timings of development, in gametophyte. #ibc18
Pathh1
July 26, 2011
David Haig – consequences of crossing over and chance of locus transmission in one of the 4 products of meiosis in megaspore tetrad. #ibc18
Pathh1
July 26, 2011
Mike Fay (yes I’m in orchid room): Orchis species morphology variable "but you don’t see hybrids unless you are looking at them". #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 26, 2011

We can also catch the end of another session: Evolution in orchids — at the interface of populations and species

Orchis – hybridisation widespread. Conservation of process may be as important as conservation of named taxa. #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 26, 2011
Fay: What do we do when no morphological characters follow splits indicated by genetics? #ibc18 Answer at moment: worry?
TimEntwisle
July 26, 2011
Mark Chase: There is some heritable variation that comes from the environment. Lamarck mentioned lightly. #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 26, 2011
Mark Chase: Epigenetics for real plants now: the case of Dactylorhiza orchids #ibc18
Pathh1
July 26, 2011
Chase: Species specific & geographic structure in cDNA-AFLP profiles; habitat preference shaping expression patterns – epigenetic? #ibc18
Pathh1
July 26, 2011
Epigenetic changes are lost as allotetraploid is older #ibc18 Seeing heritable condition of epialleles lets understand ecology of sp
Pathh1
July 26, 2011
How does loss with age fit with dx.doi.org/10.1534/genetics.111.128744 showing huge phenocopy epigenetic variation can be released? #ibc18
Pathh1
July 26, 2011
Chase: Because of influence of environment on them these variants of Dactylorhiza can’t be protected ex situ: ie for allotetraploids #ibc18
TimEntwisle
July 26, 2011
Hi IBC Twitterers: fancy anon-virtual meeting? Would Thursday 8pm after Peter Bernhardt’s talk be ok? AoBBlog.com has a small budget. #ibc18
Pathh1
July 26, 2011

And again, there are update problems, so I’ll compile the tweets for the public lecture into one last post. The tweeting is going well though.

Can officially declare IBC2011 a success– I’ve started getting twitspam. #ibc18
IBC11
July 25, 2011


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